The Space Science of Ad Astra – Offworld Episode 27
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The Space Science of Ad Astra – Offworld Episode 27


welcome back to offworld the show where
we talk about all things space exploration and pop culture I’m Ariel
Waldman I’m norm Chan and today we’re gonna be talking about a movie about a
movie that just came out which saw it it is ad astra yes so spoiler alert we are
going to talk about the full movie so if you don’t want spoilers then maybe go
watch the movie and come back to us but if you’re okay with spoilers and want to
figure out like if the movie is right for you definitely jump in let’s take a
listen okay so we are talking about ad astra and we have a really awesome guest
a repeat guest which I’m really excited to have back on the show at Doug can you
please introduce yourself and say a little bit about what you do sure my
name is Doug vaca I’m president of Maddie an organization
dedicated to messaging extraterrestrial intelligence I’m also a clinical
psychologist with a private practice in the San Francisco Bay Area so this movie
seems right up your alley check a lot of boxes it does it does how
can you not like something that captures two of the great passions yeah let’s
just get right into like what are your overall thoughts about ad astra just
generally as a movie you know everyone likes a good space adventure in action
film and you know this one has it from fierce baboons out to kill you buddy
chase with space pirates but it also has a more introspective element and so I
thought it was a nice balance I I enjoyed it yeah I for me I felt like the
movie was like not balanced because I loved the the space adventure aspect of
it but the plot was a little little you know lacking in depth I guess maybe they
were trying to be really in-depth but I don’t know it norm what did you think I
think I agree you in terms of how much you love this in your future world
building right mm-hmm with commercial spaceflight as it is
projecting far out they never say exactly how far in the future it is but
what could this space excavation look like when we have a base on the moon
when going to Mars becomes a regular occurrence when we have a space elevator
what would and these are things that we sometimes rarely did see depicted in
film and when being an astronaut seems to be like established profession with
lots of people who are astronauts who may not go to the moon because they’re
you know running the space elevator that I thought was really really cool yeah
what was some of your favorite depictions just overall well I think I
would I would disagree with your characterization so I liked the
depiction of the future and yeah there was a certain subtlety there was a there
was a certain slowness of the pace but I thought there was a real unfolding of
what it’s like for an astronaut so I think you know the key to good science
fiction is create this other world that is informed by science but then talk
about how we as human beings live in that world so I think it’s it’s always
the temptation to imagine being an astronaut in the far future is going to
be like being an astronaut right now and I think that’s not the case so I think
that’s something that they were able to pick up on that’s true what about like
the visual depictions like what was your favorite visual depiction you know I
envy anyone who can have a huge antenna that is devoted to search for
extraterrestrial so I got to give it that and they have one in Earth orbit
and went out at Neptune as well yeah well I mean so for me like one of the
favorite visual depictions was some of the moon scenes so it’s like they’re on
the moon and the moon is a disputed territory and that gets into some of the
international treaties of you know where no one can own the moon but at the same
time the US has put forth laws where what you mine you own and so the idea
that there’s disputed territory and people are are sort of there’s moon
pirates and and everything depicted on the moon and then you see them on this
moon buggy and they’re going and they’re trying to get away from these moon
pirates and they go into the darkness of a crater and so you see it go from that
bright white to that really dark crisp darkness into the crater that I thought
just like it’s really beautiful filmmaking so this is it so what
captured you was a lot these kind of big Vista great visuals
for me I liked the little subtle details so that is you were saying norm it’s
sort of like the world that we have now projected into the future you take a
trip to Mars and when you get in it’s like being in a New York subway station
and that you know there’s actually yeah yeah that was that was actually really
nice they never made it exactly clear the purpose of the very like the
settlements in the the bases on the moon was it just to be a spaceport they they
did say that you know these are regular flights right it would be a commercial
flight to the moon and so they had interestingly that a quarantine period a
whole well thought-out process of how these these flights would go but what
was like what was the why do we have things I think some of these answers
were given really in passing so as you’re pointing about there these
disputed areas in their mining companies so there’s a commercial reason and when
you think about it if you’re going to be building a huge antenna around another
planet you don’t want to slep all the raw materials from earth and so actually
that’s one of the rationales for going to the moon of being able to do mining
and create something of commercial value there yeah well and and I sort of read
it as the moon is a commercial space more or less but Mars is a military
space where sort of they have a secret outpost so that they can maintain
communications and everything so you just see him go straight underground and
then he’s just in the military facilities more or less so a big part of
the movie and a big part why I’m excited to have you on the show Doug is because
the film you know this is a major part of the spoiler but you know the film
shows that the main character goes out to Neptune and to get his dad who’s out
there and his dad discovered that the answer to study the answer to searching
for extraterrestrial intelligence is that yes we are alone and he goes kind
of bonkers because of that more or less like what are your thoughts on that well
like it doesn’t worry we might go bonkers if we get a definitive yes we
are alone I think he went bonkers because it was devastating to his world
you because he knew that there are aliens out there and I think they really
captured that nicely throughout with a number of the astronauts oh this was a
religious quest this was knowing our destiny and that were connected to
something bigger and I think discovering that were not in this scenario was
devastating to him I don’t think it maps on to the SETI scientists I know who are
really holding that possibility that maybe there’s no one out there I think
at one level it it was implausible to be able to claim that you can know that
there are no intelligent civilizations out there I mean even if you have an
extensive search can you really get all of the billions of galaxies but I think
again this is a case where there was some subtlety built in because what
they’re saying is that survey also looked for any microbial life on other
planets and now you know we go outside we look at these stars all of them have
planets many of them may be potentially inhabitable but in this science fiction
film what they found after looking at presumably millions of planets is that
there was not even bacteria on any of them which they could tell by changes to
the atmosphere of all the of kind of far-fetched technologies in terms of how
long it takes the travel between the planets here it seemed like that was the
biggest jump the fact that one eye will only hear what it makes sense for there
to be some type of research facility at Neptune or at the edge of the solar
system what benefits we actually get from that is that something that has any
grounding on reality and to like how could we actually see like microbial
life across not only our galaxy but the universe from that perspective great
questions first of all is there any advantage to going out as far as Neptune
for searching for extraterrestrials there isn’t I mean there are advantages
to getting away from the TV and radio signals that we generate on earth so
they’ve been serious discussions about putting an observatory on the far side
of the Moon where it’s shielded from Earth but to then go the next step out
and say all the way to the outer solar system just doesn’t make sense but your
second question was from there right yeah you could because
that’s not too far in our future in the next 20 years or so we will have
orbiting spacecraft that will be able to look at the atmospheres of other planets
and tell whether those atmospheres show there’s microbial life so Earth has been
giving off evidence for two billion years that there’s simple life and
that’s something that is within our grasp right now so if you look at a
million planets and none of them have even simple bacteria then that’s looking
pretty devastating for getting intelligent life so I think you got to
take those extra leaps they’re not gonna if you don’t find any radio signals what
do you say well maybe they weren’t transmitting maybe there’s transmitted a
different frequency but if there isn’t even simple life you’re not gonna have
intelligent life so it’s not so far-fetched for him to jump to that
conclusion after the decades but I think that’s an example in this film that you
have to make some inferences and you have to have some leaps like when
they’re trying to communicate as you were saying there’s this base on Mars
that’s used to communicate with Neptune well if you look at the film it looks
like this is something that’s happened in a few minutes it would take 8 hours
for that round-trip exchange but if you give them a little credit and say well
this shot could indicate you can’t interpret it to make sense s yes yeah I
did find it funny when he’s like dad I’m really trying to get a hold of you and
then he’s like waiting for like it’s like like it shows in the film like just
a few seconds passed and he’s like why didn’t he respond like that’s some
intensive like faster-than-light communication there I mean I have a
question of like you know that was a whole thing of getting on to the far
side of the Moon to block out our own radio signals and everything are we
still limited though by the factor of a lot of signals at like a hundred light
years away or two 200 light years away essentially become so faint that it
would be very difficult for us to detect I I think we could
that in fact if you look at how our radio technology has improved since we
started building radio telescopes a few decades ago and then continue that
growth rate for just a couple hundred years we’re going to be able to pick up
our level of leakage radiation out to about five hundred light years so I
think it’s not difficult to pick up even accidental radio signals we can’t do it
right now but come back ten twenty years from now and we’ll be able to yeah well
and so another aspect obviously that we’ve been touching on a little bit with
the film is it delves into the psychology of astronauts a lot and you
see in the film the main character is you know very like cool as a cucumber
nothing bothers and it’s almost sort of a you know older depiction I think of
what astronauts are of sort of the the right stuff guy is that you know nothing
bothers them you know I wanted to sort of get your viewpoint because you work
in psychology and things of that nature of if this idea of the emotionless
astronaut is a trope that should be retired or if it’s something that
perhaps is is still necessary when thinking about going further out into
the cosmos I think it would morph because in the early days right there’s
the right stuff these are fighter pilots who’ve been trained to be astronauts and
if you’re going to the moon and back that’s a 10-day journey if it’s tough
you’re having problems with your crewmates just suck it up and deal with
it you do you don’t feel good because you’re bloated and you’re floating
around in zero g tough it out but when the missions become as long as going to
the outer solar system you don’t have that luxury and so then the question is
what’s the new right stuff look like and right now we’re seeing a different
transformation on Space Station’s there’s a lot of emphasis on being a
team player of being able to coordinate of being able to appreciate people from
other cultures who have different ways of doing things but for me the great
part about this film that captured something that I think is usually missed
is that what what does it take what kind of mindset does it take to go on that
sort of a mission you know Brad Pitt’s character says
i compartmentalize i have these strong feelings of rage but i have them
submerged is that really a viable strategy I think what I saw is not just
what are the pressures of being in space but what are the pressures of someone
who’s getting ready to go to space you know as you say he’s cool his pulse
never goes about above 80 beats per minute even when he’s plummeting to his
what seems like an imminent death like I’m doing the best I can but he’s
focusing as he puts it on the most important thing right now and as he was
getting ready to go out into space that did not include Liv Tyler his wife I
mean she was like you’re a distraction lady and so that does not make for a
nurturing relationship if that’s your mindset everything is focused on the
mission yes I was the big theme in the movie right it was unbalanced toward
this focus and this kind of compartmentalization of all the stress
yeah and it’s really interesting to talk about how the difference is between that
right stuff era because presumably that’s like more risky than the space
traveler depicting it’s almost routine the kind of missions they’re going on so
it’s more about endurance and long-term effects than is about the immediate fear
of death from you know from experimental Rockets and and we saw what happens then
when the astronauts who are used to those routine missions get thrown into a
situation where it’s not routine you know the the folks on the shuttle that
brought Brad Pitt from the moon to Mars as he described them these are
scientists these are technicians they’re very cool about the whole thing but then
when there’s a disaster the captain gets killed and the second-in-command has to
take over he’s just out of his depth completely that was at least amazing to
watch the people who are just like man you were not cut out for space for sure
because they’re freaking out and you can see you know how quickly that leads to
the death of other astronauts and and it’s not realistic that they would be
freaking out that someone who freaks out would be selected on those missions
because one of the things you know as Brad Pitt’s trying to break in so that
it to their spaceship so he can hitch a ride to
10 the captain the new captain is now saying Mission Control what do I do give
me directions anyone who’s going to Neptune is going to be used to acting
autonomously that’s the big shift even from our current missions you know right
now someone is even at the moon they have a problem they call Mission Control
in two seconds they can get an answer you know it Mars it could take up to 40
minutes for a round-trip exchange yeah absolutely well in some of the other
ways that we see depicted in the film of people dealing with psychology although
it it was left unsure if it was actually effective was we see Brad Pitt in a room
with video projections of earth and birds and and things of that nature and
I actually kind of appreciated that because it shows like a more present-day
version of a holodeck because it’s not a holodeck at all it’s just video
projections and sounds and everything but they’re clearly like maybe maybe
some holodeck like time will be like fine but it’s just video projections
writing media it’s a fiction of a movie sunshine had some real similar there the
astronauts there would kind of relax and decompress in these with the visual
stimuli was that something that works well so far astronauts haven’t needed
that because if you’re in the International Space Station the thing
they love to do when they’ve got some free times will look out the window and
see the earth below and even from the moon you can see this fragile blue
marble up in space but when you get out to Mars or beyond that’s all gone and so
it’s part of that connection of being able to look back it voc’s what some
called the overview effect that you get a new perspective now on life on Earth
and when you’re an astronaut even if you’re up at the space station for
several months a year it’s a constant reminder of what you have to return to
that’s all going to be gone if you get so far away you can’t see earth yeah do
you think like immersive video is helpful or do you think it’ll need to be
a bit more tactile over you know III think there will be an emphasis on a lot
of different modalities it could be sent it could be sounds but yeah you’re right
I mean it was a little bit crude in the depiction ad astra you see instruments
hanging on the this is this is not a full-blown holiday
what about the the test that he had to go through regularly and so these are
these are psych evaluations so it’s you know I slept eight hours last night no
bad dreams I’m feeling calm I’m on task and and as he was doing that there’s a
little monitor on his neck and then immediately afterwards so this is being
monitored he gets the go-ahead you passed your
psych eval and so those sorts of monitoring’s are important but it’s also
really hard for astronauts to be honest because they say I’m really feeling
depressed I’m really feeling anxious they worry that they’re not going to get
to go on another mission and so the way it’s done in the real world is you have
a psychologist back at NASA who doesn’t talk with other
people and you can talk about the problems you’re having in confidence or
you can do something we saw a little hint of when he went to his own personal
computer and he downloaded a file if you have your own little mini PC and a thumb
drive you now have a therapist on a thumb drive so you can get some guidance
in how to deal with conflicts with other astronauts with signs of depression
those are actually being developed for astronauts to use cool where do you
think I guess astronauts need to go to from here like in terms of like going to
Mars and you know everyone’s focused on on going to Mars and you’re talking
about the vulnerability and and things sort of grounding you more to earth is
there any more parts to the equation that really people are needing to look
into or are those kind of two elements like enough to like make sure that we
have astronauts that don’t exactly lose it on these long-duration missions Wow I
think the bigger issue so I think the idea of being isolated for long periods
of time are being bored because I really think about it these astronauts have
been selected to be these great explorers and to just dependent jump in
once they get to Mars they’re going to be in there
so how do you survive the boredom of months on the way there and months on
the way back you know I think we’ve gotten some clues about what astronauts
can do some of the astronauts have been very good at using social media to
communicate with folks back home and I think one of the big challenges
especially on one of these monumental missions of going to moon being the
first man or woman to step on the moon or on Mars you come home how do you ever
beat that how do you ever find something that’s going to be better than that
so I think those are that some of the real challenges you need to think
especially after you’ve done your main mission now what is going to happen to
me after I get home yeah well and I feel like I see astronauts struggle with that
today because I see astronauts come back from going in space and then they launch
a company or have some big effort but it’s never you know they never get to
introduce any further about like well they created this great company is like
nope they went to space like that is at the fines that defines them but I
thought that was actually the nice element of how did Brad Pitt’s character
deal with going out into space he’s he’s searching for he wants some kind of
reconciliation with his father and ultimately at the end he realized he had
to let go of his father and you know he confronted his dad he hadn’t seen him
since he was 16 and his dad said you know I never loved you and he says I
understand that and it’s okay but I’m taking you home again and bringing him
back home he had his dad said you have to let me go and to me what was so
beautiful about that is both of them let go because Tommy Lee Jones character his
dad had been out there saying I have to keep on this mission I cannot stop
there’s an infinite amount of work to do and at the end he said I have to let go
and you have to let me go and it was only when he let go that Brad Pitt could
come back using that same core characteristic of focusing on the most
important thing at hand but now it wasn’t a space mission now it was the
big cup of coffee and wife yeah yeah and we also don’t see I
mean in the real world these one-way missions right like this the mission
Tommy Lee Jones went and its crew presumably they weren’t expecting to
come back and so could we see that as potentially you know the directive going
forward or absolutely what we saw it on the Mars colony because remember the the
Director of Operations said she was born on Mars she went on a vacation when she
was a child to earth but she has lived her whole life on Mars and so that’s
where you really start getting into some of the psychological problems because if
you can pick your astronauts and they complete their mission you can screen
them as much as you want and find people who really probably will be able to
stand the challenges but once you have a colony and people are born they’re going
to have the natural tendencies of some people are going to be stable and some
people are going to have a harder time and so there’s nothing you can do at
that point and when it’s something as distant as a base on Mars that now
becomes an increasingly autonomous colony the sense of identity it’s four
explored in the expanse for example yeah you know the Martians are there humans
but right that’s right but they’re the first Martian yeah yeah humans were born
there yeah well so I guess my final question is for people who haven’t seen
the movie you know where do you feel this movie is in terms of the portfolio
of space movies like what does this movie add that maybe you know we don’t
get with interstellar and gravity and you know we have all these space movies
now which is really awesome like what what unique factor do you think this
adds to the portfolio of space movies I think this adds in two ways first of all
it really gets at this question of as we search for other life in the universe
what happens we’ve always focused on what happens if we discover it but what
happens if we don’t and then secondly what does it take for humans to go
beyond Earth and not just project our own sense of astronauts today but really
think about what those differences of traveling such vast distances is going
to have on what it takes to accomplish the mission at all yeah
that’s awesome thank you so much for being on the show today my pleasure glad
to be back I love that conversation it’s great having Doug back and really a lot
more to think about in moving I think watching it now as we watch these space
movies we definitely want to put a little bit of a critical eye on the
picture specially if it’s trying to pick a quote-unquote realistic future for
Space Exploration which I think this film does successfully in a few
different ways but then also the whole psychological aspect of it yeah I think
Doug actually got me to turn around a little bit because I said at the start
of the conversation I felt that the the plot was kind of lacking in depth and
maybe a little simple but perhaps in its simplicity it is trying to really focus
in on these key relationships of astronauts and what it’s like to go way
far out into outer space and and what sort of impact that’s going to have on
you mm-hmm in a way that can connect with the kind of relationships that we
all have with our family but of course in this very fantastical way something
that we didn’t mention is that one new thing this film depicts is that
father-son relationship a generational difference in the space program which we
eventually will get to write you know necessarily been around for so many
years but there will eventually be astronauts that may be the children of
other rational well yeah I mean Richard Garriott is the son of Unger yes oh
that’s a father-son astronaut do so so we have a little bit instances of it but
also you know there were the generational Knoll aspects of the woman
who lives on Mars and her parents are astronauts and maybe she’s not an
astronaut per se but she’s definitely on that sort of spacefaring generational
you know timeline yeah yeah and then the film I think definitely pays homage to a
lot of the other great space movies of the past from 2001 even things more
recently like interstellar definitely if you’re gonna see it watching the biggest
screen possible is the other recommendation since there are a lot of
beautiful visuals in there and to wait for conditions for people who want to
yeah so Doug has a really great book called the psychology of space
exploration that you might want to check out contemporary research in historical
perspective so if you are really into how psychology impacts
human spaceflight and things of that nature I definitely check out that book
and we’ll have more talk of other space related movies in the future on/off
whirl you can always listen to us as a podcast as well just go to tested comm a
slash off world but thanks for listening or watching and we’ll see you next time you

44 thoughts on “The Space Science of Ad Astra – Offworld Episode 27

  1. the Gs on a rocket launch travel would never be adecuate for 80 year olds lol… and the engines on the rockets kept changing from regular rocket to ion based propulltion… and they where always turned on lol in reality you would have it on less than 3 minutes and then just fall into your orbit and only do small corrections slow down and propultion land at the end…. in they movie the engines were on all the way to the moon…. and on the way to neptune the rocket looked like ionized type propultion but still landed with a big rocket whooosh on mars lol…. the antenna is completely impossible to build lol….. the movie is based in promisse tech by NASA… the orange space suits… the sls looking rocket…. they shouldve used space x vision…. the tech looked very oldfashioned in the movie…. a perfected future version of starship wouldve looked more advance than the tech on the movie

  2. before watching this video: i thought the movie was BEAUTIFUL. Being a space nerd, a lot of the science was a little rough. Looking past that there was a lot of like, and a lot that was a little flat. B-

  3. I love sci-fi films but this movie was dissapointing for me.
    Thanks for sharing and as always keep building👍

  4. It is not a space movie. It is a character study. It was completely misrepresented by the trailers. All of the space stuff was wrong. Don't set a movie in space if you don't want to make the minimum effort to get the science at least close to right

  5. Can you talk about the fact that they STOPPED a spacecraft mid way to investigate a lab. I feel like the movie totally forgets about orbital mechanics!

  6. I enjoyed your technical discussion very much. But the movie could have been set in any time period or location (ie. the Arctic, sailing to the new world etc). I think you are missing some of the larger themes explored here.

    Having lost my father last year, I had an immediate emotional connection to Brad’s character Roy. What wouldn’t you do to save your father? Roy overcomes immense, and increasingly difficult, physical and emotional challenges in his quest to rescue and redeem his long absent father. Along the journey he discovers something about himself too, and finds his own redemption.

    On a deeper more philosophical note, I think Roy is a representation of mankind. His search for purpose and meaning asks the question “why are we here?”. I’m still pondering whether Tommy Lee Jones is a proxy for God. Or a warning of mankind’s darker nature – of a life lived without love and an appreciation of the beauty and majesty of life that exists right here on earth.

    I really enjoyed the movie. Gave me a lot to chew on, and bears repeated viewings.

  7. Is it too much to ask the CG people animating a rocket launch to spend half an hour of their time to watch a rocket launch?

  8. Ooookay, so we’re busy being predatory on Mars, yet we are chomping at the bit to find out if there are others in this universe? And Tommy boy has a hissy fit because he finds out it’s not occupado? Why wouldn’t he think “Thank God, there’s no one out there who will invade us? “ And also, by the way, the “looking down on the earth with love and wonder” routine is growing thin because we’re destroying the climate. I’d look down at the earth and say “so sad”.

  9. And not a word about extraterrestrials and the thousands of UFO sightings reported by civilians and now, videos from US Navy!
    It must be all a hoax then ha?
    After the Malmstrom air force base incident in Montana in 1967, when 10 ICBMs were disabled in their silos by a single UFO over the base, we now know these aliens or whomever they are, can disable our nukes, even when housed inside their underground silos!
    You are all in for a very rude awakening in the next 10 years. So, go stick your heads back in the sand. Nothing to see here… Just swamp gas.

  10. that technology level can not prove that we are alone and with all the other hole you could make a YouTube video but good space p***, That if he had found them would fix.

  11. In the movie they used an Europa picture from Cassini as an alien world. One the one hand I liked it , it was a true space photo, on the other hand I thought that's Europa is not an alien world it belongs to our solar system

  12. We are more than likely alone, at least in this Galaxy. The Universe is not only immense in physical size, but in time as well.

  13. It had such great world building, making it seem a bit like a hard sci fi movie, but then they just skipped over so many implausible points, that it's became quite an annoyance.

    – Stopping a rocket mid flight to check out some lab in distress. You're on a rocket not a space ship, you can't just pull over and check stuff out.

    – Driving around in these moon carts as if they hadn't come up with proper moon vehicle where you didn't have to put on your EVA suit just to get from point A to B.

    – Waiting for a response after speaking into the mic, as if the transmission round trip was just a few seconds.

    – And many more small details, that just didn't fit and I can't think of right now.

    Additionally there were many odd story points that I found distracting:

    – Why send someone to Mars just to record their voice and transmit that data? Was this like an analog thing? I mean, you could just put the person in front of a mic on Earth and send that recording to Mars, either digitally or if you must with a spaceship.
    – What's up with this ridiculous sound proofed room? Maybe it was some attempt at environment story telling, but who hasn't seen like short clip on the most silent room with fancy sound proofing? Again why does sending some signal to the outer solar system require such a weird room?
    – They say, he needs to travel on a civilian ship to the moon, so it's not as suspicious, yet he travels in fully military clothing?
    – What's the point of always taking his pulse? Just showing it all the time, doesn't explain why it's such a crucial thing to have a low pulse or why you're suddenly unfit if your pulse goes up once when you're upset.
    – Why does he not try to get his floating away transport ship back and just stares at it?
    – And on and on and on

    I just feel like the story might be actually really good and a lot of the holes are probably described well in the book, but they just weren't able to capture it in a movie. Maybe I'll read the book one day.

  14. I noticed when I watched the movie last week he cried in the station I thought it was zero g wouldn't it turn into a giant water bubble 🤔

  15. It seems less like a “space movie” and more like a philosophical story set in space. There’s a lot of parallels to Dante’s Inferno, and a sort of Nietzchiean “death of god” motif; with the dad turning bad and the lack of aliens. But that’s just my opinion

  16. In movies there is such a thing as a'suspension of disbelief' which basically means let your imagination run riot and not take a movie literally!!!…
    Does anyone pull apart Star Wars and the space science around that, no because its a fantastical movie, does anyone watch The Avengers and think those characters really exist, no!..its suspension of disbelief!…the day anyone believes a fantasy movie as real life then they should get a life and stop watching movies.
    If a movie claims to be a real life depiction or based on true facts then yes it has to be true to life, but when a movie is just a fantasy movie then please just watch it for what it is!…

  17. 22:07 They were expecting to go back. Didnt the crew want to go home and TLJ's chatacter refused? Thats why he killed them all.

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